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"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile) 07/16/2018 at 13:22 • Filed to: car porn

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If you have a few minutes you need to waste, there is such a thing as !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! to look at.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 13:31

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Another FYI: this website exists

http://lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 07/16/2018 at 13:32

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As does this:

http://tocmp.com/

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 13:44

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Gotta love the flat tops.  Also the angle of the image, which makes the car look as wide as possible, and the person look small.

user314 > fintail 07/16/2018 at 14:13

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Wider Is Better

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 14:18

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There’s also a good site for old MB brochures, if anyone cares:

http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/Engels_index.html

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > user314 07/16/2018 at 14:20

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True story - that version of Wide-Track Grand Prix marketing was the retread of a campaign from ‘64(?), which was building on platform width alterations GM had made recently. Including this Olds, which was marketed as having a wider track; which makes this ad a first-cousin-once-removed.

Milky > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 07/16/2018 at 14:21

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Oh budday.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > fintail 07/16/2018 at 14:22

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If I were to have one of this series of Chevy-Pontiac-Olds designs, it would probably be the Olds - even if I do like the ‘62 Chevy. The front end looks really neat, kind of like the Imperial of ‘61.

fintail > user314 07/16/2018 at 14:24

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More ground-hugging width and weight.

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 14:26

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 I like all of the flat tops, just a cool design.  Maybe the 60 Caddy flat top pushes my buttons most, as a friend of my dad had one when I was a kid (a factory pinkish purple car, no less). but they are all interesting designs.  The 60 Olds tail lights are really unique, must have been a fun time in the GM design studios.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > fintail 07/16/2018 at 14:35

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Wider. Longer. Lower.

WilliamsSW > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 14:46

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Gotta love them advertising the strength of their perimeter frame.

Who on earth wouldn’t use a perimeter frame?

Oh yeah, their sister brands...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > WilliamsSW 07/16/2018 at 15:04

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One of the things that makes me so mad with the ‘59 Impala vs. 2000s Impala mutual crash test. It’s like #17 or #18 on the list, but still. “Hey, look how badly a car with an x-frame does in an offset collision ”. NICE CHERRYPICKING, YOU FUCKS.

WilliamsSW > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 15:14

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I’d like to see that sane test using a 59 Olds or Ford.

Not that I would expect it to change 180 degrees, but I would expect a better outcome for the old car at least.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > WilliamsSW 07/16/2018 at 15:30

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Or the same test with a ‘50 Hudson, or a ‘59 Lincoln. The former, because it had a fully integrated perimeter frame and was built like a tank, the latter because it was a unibody... but had permanently welded-in-place front fenders and its rockers were a three-cell laminated beam.

WilliamsSW > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 16:51

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The Lincoln had welded fenders? Wow - that seems like it would be fairly unique.

I’d love to know Ford’s unit cost on the 58-60 Lincoln.  Guessing it was above the average selling price...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > WilliamsSW 07/16/2018 at 17:18

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I’m not actually sure how involved the attachment of the front fenders is, despite having examined mine , but they’re seamed to the liners and have what is possibly a welded and leaded seam to the rockers and rocker covers. There is no line.

Inside that fender is what amounts to a front torque box, and a fender liner boxing up the heater and A/C elements (if present), 1/side. It is, oddly, one of the easiest cars ever to take an engine out of, because the radiator support unbolts and leaves the fenders standing.

(Picture from when Neil Young was being a twit and electrifying his ‘59)

Most of the metal that I’ve encountered is min. 20GA, and in many cases 18GA. It’s built like an industrial refrigerator. Think of it this way - it’s 8% longer than my Galaxie and weighs nearly a ton more.

I think a certain amount of the unibody know-how ended up recirculating at Ford, but criminy was it an elaborate venture. Make a three-ton unibody 19' long with no relation to existing designs , on testing find out that it’s too noodly, so bulk up the rocker design last minute...

Not to mention a vast range of features, class leading power, a robust double-evap A/C system... I’m quite sure they lost money on every one. By ‘60, they actually changed *back* to rear leaf springs as well as a downgraded carb.

It was in some ways the other side of the fight between McNamara’s faction’s “disposable and small ” philosophy and the old stalwarts. Cutting edge tech... in service of monstrosity.

WilliamsSW > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 17:33

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I’ll go out on a limb and guess that McNamara wasn’t too heavily involved with Lincoln when the decision to go ahead with the ‘58 redesign was made...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > WilliamsSW 07/16/2018 at 17:45

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Some of the design decisions are weird. Futuristic, but not necessarily car -futuristic. More like speedboat futuristic, kitchen stove futuristic, vacuum cleaner futuristic. It was like the design document was given to somebody who didn’t do cars, who was then told “Here’s the Futura concept, here’s a ‘41 Continental, suggest some things from them in there, or don’t. We don’t necessarily care - but keep in mind it’ll weigh the same as a destroyer and go zero to sixty in under seven seconds.”

One mild stroke later, the design was on paper.

There are some timeless designs that are in some way generic. Could fit in in multiple year ranges. There are others that are iconic but very much speak to a year. Then there are designs like the ‘58-’60 Lincolns and their accompanying Thunderbirds that are “timeless” only in that somebody who doesn’t know cars will have no idea what’s going on, because it would look equally weird in any era.

WilliamsSW > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 17:48

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I feel like the word “timeless” as it applies to the ‘58-60 Lincoln means that “I have no effing clue what era that car fits in, but it sure as hell doesn’t look even vaguely related to absolutely anything coming from the Big 3 in 1958-1960". Or any other era for that matter.

Which kinda makes it all the more cool, in some ways...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > WilliamsSW 07/16/2018 at 17:59

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It came from the early ‘60s that never were. Lincoln was right that people would get away from fins, right that people would move to more square aspects, but wrong about windshield/roof designs, wrong about how far from fins people would go, and misses the mark on headlights staying horizontally paired for another 5+ years, while thinking the round cues around headlights would stay. So it ends up almost looking like a ‘67 GTO come way too early, with too much chrome, weird early ‘60s style side contours, and some odd ‘40s throwbacks like the bulged trunklid.

It’s great.

ranwhenparked > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/16/2018 at 20:42

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Yeah, I mean, ANY 1950s car is going to do poorly by modern standards, but they did specifically pick the worst one possible that was considered unusually bad in crashes even when it was new.

Some cars back then weren’t that bad in terms of impact absorption and blocking intrusion into the passenger compartment. It was more the unpadded dashboards, projecting controls, sharp horn rings, solid steering columns, and lack of head restraints and seatbelts. And also, things not being bolted down securely (seats breaking lose and doors flying open in impacts, etc.)

aquila121 > user314 07/17/2018 at 21:38

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God, these commercials are a strange rabbit-hole to revisit.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/18/2018 at 00:50

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I would never have assumed you capable of such vulgarity, x-frame or not.